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Last-modified: 1997-09-01
Welcome! This is the introductory posting for misc.jobs.offered,
misc.jobs.resumes, misc.jobs.misc, and misc.jobs.contract. It answers
frequently asked questions about these newsgroups including the posting
guidelines.
Contents:
Q-1 What is (and isn't) misc.jobs.offered?
Q-2 Why have posting guidelines?
Q-3 What are the posting guidelines?
Q-3.1 The Subject: line must have a specific format.
Q-3.2 All postings must be for actual positions.
Q-3.3 The organization posting must be identified.
Q-3.4 Do not post to inappropriate newsgroups.
Q-3.5 Job offerings must be verifiable.
Q-3.6 Location of the position must be provided.
Q-3.7 A salary or salary range must be provided.
Q-3.8 A word about skill and legal requirements.
Q-3.9 Is there a time cut-off?
Q-3.10 A word about abbreviations and terms.
Q-3.11 How to redirect followups.
Q-3.12 Should I combine multiple openings into one posting?
Q-3.13 What about character sets?
Q-3.14 Do I need to respond to every resume I receive?
Q-3.15 Anything else I should include?
Q-4 What is misc.jobs.resumes?
Q-5 What is misc.jobs.misc?
Q-6 What is misc.jobs.contract?
Q-7 How many people will see my posting?
Q-8 How often can I re-post an article?
Q-9 How do I update an article with new information,
correct a mistake, or otherwise improve it?
Q-10 What do I do once the job is filled (or I find a job)?
Q-11 How do I cancel an article?
Q-12 What is a "Keywords:" line, and how do I make one?
Q-13 I have this great idea to make money.
Q-14 What about multi-level marketing?
Q-15 How do I find out the cost of living in another city?
Q-16 Where can I get more information about this network?
Q-17 Is misc.jobs archived anywhere?
Q-18 Is there a mailing list?
Q-19 What are the country codes? (for subject lines)
Q-20 Codes for US states and Canadian provinces. (for subject lines)
Q-1 What is misc.jobs.offered?
It is a news group for the posting of job offerings by individuals,
companies, or other organizations with positions to offer. Job offers may
be made by any organization with a job opening, or by a professional third
party recruiting firm which has been hired to fill the opening. Third party
recruiters, however, should note that their being allowed to do business via
Usenet is an unusual exception to the general rule which forbids using Usenet
for commercial profit. They should therefore be especially careful to adhere
to the guidelines for posting. Violations and abuses upset readers, who may
call for prohibiting these commercial postings.
Readers may note that postings are mostly computer related. This is
due to Usenet being a computer-based medium. (You have to use a computer to
use Usenet, and computer users are more likely to have computer related jobs
to offer.) Offers of non-computer jobs are appropriate here.
What isn't misc.jobs.offered?
It is not a discussion group or a group for posting resumes. General
discussions concerning jobs should be held in misc.jobs.misc. Resumes
should be posted in misc.jobs.resumes. Your co-operation is greatly
appreciated. If you feel you must followup an article posted here,
please edit the "Newsgroups:" line:
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Misc.jobs.offered is for offering jobs, not business opportunities.
The posting must meet all legal requirements of the country where the
work will be done. Before complaining about alleged illegalities in a
posting, readers should remember that Usenet is an international network,
and that what is illegal in their country may be legal in the poster's
country. If a posting is illegal, readers should inform the poster via
mail. For more serious problems, contacting the news administrator of the
poster's site and/or posting a followup article to misc.jobs.misc may
be appropriate.
Q-2 Why have posting guidelines?
Given the very high number of postings in these groups, it is no
longer reasonable to attempt to read all the postings manually. According
to stats from uunet, misc.jobs.offered had 8824 articles totaling 11062.9 kB
during a two week period in December 1994. Misc.jobs.resumes had 4286 articles
totaling 18282.0 kB. With this amount of information to examine, it is now
essential to be able to use the computer to quickly screen articles.
As in buying a house, for many people the three most important things
about a job are: location, location, and location. Someone in New York City
may not be interested in relocating to Berlin, and visa-versa. Brief job
descriptions are also useful as a first-level screen. Thus, it is important
that the location and brief job description appear in the Subject line.
In order to allow computerized searches, it is important to use the syntax
provided in section Q-3.1 below.
If you follow the guidelines when posting, it is easier for a reader
to find your article. The reader will have enough information to know
whether or not they are interested in the position. Conversely, many readers
will ignore articles that do not follow the guidelines. Many readers will
give up attempting to find a position through Usenet if they cannot use the
computer to search for the articles they are interested in, or if the
articles do not have enough information to tell if it is worth contacting
you. Following the guidelines will get you more good leads, and fewer poor
leads. Thus, it is to your benefit, as well as the reader's, to follow these
guidelines.
The same logic applies to misc.jobs.resumes. You need to use a
good subject line to allow prospective employers to easily find the
articles they are interested in reading.
These guidelines embody the consensus of opinion as to the proper
form for postings of job offers. The guidelines are based on what the
readers want. They are not the opinion of the FAQ maintainer.
Q-3 What are the posting guidelines?
Q-3.1 The Subject: line must have a specific format.
Three pieces of information belong in the Subject: line.
In order: the location, a brief job description, and the hiring
organization. The location and job description are required,
the hiring organization may be left out of the Subject: line
by third party recruiters, or to make room for a better
job description.
Format:
Subject: COUNTRY-STATE/PROVINCE-City Job_Description Company
Examples:
Subject: US-IL-Chicago Foobar Developer, Acme Widget Inc
Subject: US-NY-NYC Foobar Developer, Acme Widget Inc
Subject: US-DC-Washington Foobar Developer, Acme Widget Inc
Subject: DE-Munich Foobar Developer, Acme Widget Ag
Subject: UK-London Foobar Developer, Acme Widget Ltd
Subject: offsite Foobar Developer, Acme Widget
Use, in order, the country code, state or province code (if applicable),
and the city. Do not leave out the country code. If the country is
US or CA, then do not leave out the state/province code. (The state/
province code is optional for countries other than US and CA.) Do not
leave out the city. Use the dash ('-') character to separate the
portions of the location. Use one or more blank space characters (' ')
between the location and the job description, and between the job
description and the company. In order to allow computerized searches,
it is important that everyone use the same standardized syntax shown
above. Do not invent your own unique format.
If the job is in a small town or suburb near a larger, better known,
city, you may choose to use the larger city in the Subject line.
(Providing that the larger city is not in a different country, state,
or province than the smaller city.) If there is enough room on the
Subject line, you may choose to include both the large city and the
suburb on the Subject line by thinking of the suburb as a further
division of the metropolition area. For example:
Subject: US-IL-Chicago-Lisle Foobar Developer, Acme Widget Inc
The same idea can be used to include some other subdivision of a
large city:
Subject: US-NY-NYC-Midtown Foobar Developer, Acme Widget Inc
The standard format shown above allows both humans and the computer
to tell whether, for example, "CA" means "California" or "Canada":
Subject: CA- means Canada
Subject: US-CA- means California
...and to distinguish between cities with the same name:
Subject: CA-BC-Vancouver
Subject: US-WA-Vancouver
If you need to know what the country code for a particular
country is, I have included a list of them in section Q-19.
Section Q-20 contains a list of US state codes and
Canadian province codes.
See also section Q-3.6.
The job description is not currently standardized, although there
has been some discussion of this in misc.jobs.misc.
Note that most newsposting software will provide the string
"Subject: " for you. If you actually type "Subject: US-GA-At..."
your posting will look like:
Subject: Subject: US-GA-Atlanta Peach Pickers ...
...which is not what you want.
Q-3.2 All postings must be for actual positions.
Any job which is offered or alluded to must actually exist,
and be "approved", if applicable. Do not submit postings for
positions which do not exist. Do not submit vague postings
in order to receive a supply of resumes. If you want a
source of resumes, read the newsgroup misc.jobs.resumes.
Q-3.3 The organization posting must be identified.
The name of the company making the offer must be present in
the posting. Professional recruiters must place the string
"3rd party recruiter" on the "Keywords:" (see Q-12) line. (Recruiters
do not need to identify themselves as such on the subject line. The
Keywords: line is sufficient. Third party recruiters are not required
to name the hiring organization (client) in their postings, although
they are welcome to if they choose.) Many universities are legally
restricted from handling commercial traffic. This will enable
universities to comply with the law. This is especially true if there
is a placement fee required of the person accepting the position. Other
posters should use the "Organization:" line to indicate the name of the
company making the offer, and also include the name of the company in
the body of the posting.
Examples:
Subject: US-TX-Dallas Foobar Developer, Acme Widget Inc
Organization: Foobar division, Acme Widget Inc
Subject: US-TX-Dallas Foobar Developer
Keywords: 3rd party recruiter
Organization: Matchmaker Personnel Inc
Q-3.4 Do not post to inappropriate newsgroups.
All job offers should be restricted to misc.jobs.offered.
(Except for contract jobs which go to misc.jobs.contract instead.)
Discussions of job offers, and resumes requesting positions,
should likewise be limited to the appropriate groups. Followup
articles to postings in .offered or .resumes should go to
misc.jobs.misc, or to the poster via email. Again,
judicious use of the Followup-To: is heartily encouraged.
The exception is a job which can be filled by either an
"employee" or a "contractor". In this case, it is correct to
cross-post the article to both misc.jobs.offered and
misc.jobs.contract.
For the case of a job which will begin as a "contract" job,
but may become a "direct employee" (aka "permanent") position
later, the majority of readers want it to be posted to
misc.jobs.contract, and *not* cross-posted to misc.jobs.offered.
Readers want the split between .offered and .contract to be
based on the tax status. In the US, form W-2 jobs go to .offered,
form 1099 jobs go to .contract.
It is also acceptable to cross-post to a dedicated jobs newsgroup
in the local heirarchy serving the area where the job will
be performed. Do not, however, cross-post to random local
heirarchies, or to newsgroups that are not dedicated to jobs.
Your posting may be the first time a potential employee has
heard of you. Posting to the wrong group does not make a good
first impression.
Q-3.5 Job offerings must be verifiable.
The name and phone number or address of the person responsible
for the position must be given. Provide information that is
usable from anywhere in the world; e.g. a *complete* mailing
address, and a phone number usable from anywhere. (1-800 phone
numbers are often only callable from specific geographic areas,
and some readers may need the country code.) Further information
should be available upon request. The more information which you
provide in your posting, the better the response will be.
The poster must be willing to receive electronic mail at least
for administrative purposes. The "From" or "Reply-To" header lines
will be used for this purpose. It is very strongly recommended that
you provide an electronic mail address in the body of the article,
and allow resumes to be sent via electronic mail. It is recommended
that you list the formats you are able to deal with, e.g.
ASCII, PostScript, etc.
Q-3.6 Location of the position must be provided.
The location of the job must be clearly stated both in the
"Subject:" line of the header and in the article.
In the Subject line, use the format shown in section Q-3.1.
In the article, provide more detail if necessary to provide
the reader with the job location to within commuting distance
resolution. In many cities, this would mean a specific section
of the city or a specific suburb. The street address of the
company is usually sufficient. Providing the county and/or the
longitude and latitude may be helpful.
If the position is not of sufficient interest to the entire world,
please use the Distribution: line to limit the distribution of
the article appropriately. Limiting the distribution is especially
encouraged in cases where a government regulation makes it difficult
to hire someone from outside that government's boundary. (If your
posting software does not provide a list of distributions, see the
news administrator for your site.)
Furthermore, you may wish to consider using a local or intracompany
newsgroup as a source of candidates. An example would be triangle.jobs
for jobs within the Research Triangle Park area.
If where the worker lives is not significant, use "offsite"
as the location in the "Subject:" line. For example, a job
consisting mostly of work that can be done at home or some
other location of the worker's choosing, or a job that is
mostly travel would use "offsite" as the location.
The details would be provided in the body of the article.
Note that not requiring a worker to show up on site will
give you a larger pool of workers to select from.
If some work can be done offsite, but the worker is
required to report onsite on a frequent basis, put
the onsite location in the "Subject:" line and explain
the telecommuting details in the body of the article.
Third party recruiters sometimes claim that they cannot provide
the location without "giving away" the identity of the employer.
This is not a sufficient reason. The location MUST be provided.
Job seekers who do manage to figure out who the employer is are
reminded that employers choose to use third party recruiters for
a reason, and may not be receptive to applicants attempting to
bypass the recruiter.
Q-3.7 A salary or salary range must be provided.
Salary is a useful screen for matching jobs with workers.
Simply saying "competitive" or "commensurate with experience"
is not helpful. Give a specific salary or range. Again,
remember that this is an international network and provide
the monetary units (Dollars (US? Canadian?), Pounds, Deutschmarks,
etc.) involved.
Is the opening salaried or hourly? If the position is likely to
require overtime, state how your organization handles it.
Overtime pay? Time off later?
Is the position full-time? part time? temporary? summer?
intern/co-op?
Example:
Salary: US$70-90k This is a full-time position with paid overtime.
Q-3.8 A word about skill and legal requirements.
It is usually helpful to list both ideal or desired requirements
and the minimum you will accept. There is a lack of uniformity
in how people map academic experience into commercial experience.
If this is important to you, it may be helpful to explicitly state
how they map at your organization. If you wish entry-level persons
to apply, (or not apply) say so explicitly. Note that people
sometimes go back to school for a Masters or Phd after working for
a few years. Therefore, the phrase "No entry level positions at
this time." is probably more accurate than "Recent graduates need
not apply." The definition of "entry-level" varies, but usually
means 0-2 years of experience.
If there are requirements such as being a citizen or "permanent
resident" of a particular country, say so. If your organization
has a dress code or standard working hours, say so. If your
organization has unusual requirements, such as handwriting analysis,
drug testing, polygraph tests, loyality oaths, etc. say so up front.
Many people find such requirements offensive, (guilty until proven
innocent) and will refuse to work for organizations which require
them, despite being able to pass them. Stating these requirements
up front will save both of you time and effort. All requirements
must be legal in the country where the work will be done.
If the position requires travel, tell the reader how much
and where, for example, "20% travel, US west coast", or
"70% travel, Europe". Add more detail if appropriate.
Example:
Desired Required
MSEE/MSCS BSEE/BSCS
5 years doing foo 2 years doing foo
3 years doing bar 1 year doing bar
1 year doing baz knows what a baz is
2 years commercial experience 2 years commercial experience
We have no entry level positions available at this time.
Q-3.9 Is there a time cut-off?
If there is a particular date which applications must be
received by, state what it is. Arrange for your posting to
disappear at this time. (See section Q-11 for one method.)
If the worker must begin work by a particular date (or cannot
begin until a particular date) provide this information as well.
Q-3.10 A word about abbreviations and terms.
Abbreviations can be useful in the Subject line, but there is
far less need for them in the body of your article.
If you use abbreviations, make sure that they are commonly
used ones. Do not make up your own.
To quote from an article by Igor Chudov:
f u cn rd ths, u cn gt a gd jb n cmptr prgrmmng.
Do not shorten terms so much that information is lost. For
example, there are many computer programs with "DOS" in their
name. If you mean MS-DOS, say "MS-DOS", not "DOS". If you
are referring to a particular computer display windowing
system, tell the reader which one. Say "X-Windows" or
"MS-Windows", or whatever, not just "windows". The term "PC"
can mean "generic personal computer, including IBM-PCs,
MacIntoshes, Ataris, etc.", it can mean "Intel based personal
computer hardware platform running any of a wide variety of
software", or it can mean "Intel based personal computer
running MS-DOS". In electronics it may mean "printed circuit".
In non-computer contexts it may mean "politically correct".
If you use the term "PC" be sure it is clear what you mean.
Q-3.11 How to redirect followups.
From time to time it is necessary to remove a conversation from
a particular newsgroup for one reason or another. Two of the
most common reasons are that discussions are not permitted in
the newsgroup which the posting originated in and another is
that the topic of discussion has strayed from the original
sufficiently to warrant a change in newsgroups.
Misc.jobs.offered and misc.jobs.resumes are for the posting of
job offers and resumes only. This means that all postings
should include a Followup-To: line. This can be done by adding
the line
Followup-To: misc.jobs.misc
or
Followup-To: poster
to the article header. The rn newsreader provides an empty
space which you can use to put the appropriate groups in.
Other newsreaders do not and you should add one by hand.
This line should be added after the Newsgroups: line.
Q-3.12 Should I combine multiple openings into one posting?
The main issue here is allowing the user to do automated
searches among the thousands of openings available. The majority
of computer searching is done using the Subject line. If the
jobs have the same location, general description, and company,
then they can share the same Subject: line, and thus can be
combined into one posting. Otherwise they will need separate
postings.
For example, if your company needs 2 senior wine tasters, 3
intermediate wine tasters, and 2 junior wine tasters, you could post
Subject: FR-Paris wine tasters Acme Grapery
and then in the body of the posting explain that you need
various skill levels.
Conversely, if you were to combine two unrelated jobs into a
single posting, such as this bad example:
Subject: FR-Paris wine taster, COBOL programmer Acme Grapery
A wine taster might have their KILL file set up to throw away
postings looking for COBOL programmers, and a COBOL programmer
might have their KILL file set up to throw away postings
looking for wine tasters. Thus you wouldn't get any resumes.
Q-3.13 What about character sets?
This is a problem. Usenet is an international network, but there
are many limitations which prevent displaying arbitrary images
to the reader. Limit your posting to 7 bit ASCII. Do not use
fancy escape sequences that do "nice" things on your screen, since
they may put someone else's terminal into an unusable mode. Keep
lines shorter than 80 characters. Do not assume that your software
does this for you. Also remember that the reader's display probably
shows a different number of lines than yours does. Do not include a
"control-m" at the end of lines. Avoid using large quantities of
ALL CAPS. Normal usage of upper and lower case text is easier to
read and is perceived as "friendlier" by most people. Using all
upper case is perceived as unfriendly shouting.
If you need to display images that ASCII cannot handle, I recommend
a page description language such as PostScript, which can describe
any image by encoding it into ASCII (which can be transmitted over
the net and will not confuse terminals). Realize that the reader
will need a suitable previewer (e.g. Ghostscript, available at many
ftp sites) or printer to read your posting, and that it is more
trouble for them, tempting them to skip your article unread.
Q-3.14 Do I need to respond to every resume I receive?
Is it not required that you respond to every resume you receive,
but it is recommended that you send at least a simple "We got
your resume and will consider it." acknowledgement. This lets the
job hunter know that you received their resume. Some job hunters
may send another copy if they think you didn't get the first copy.
In addition, it is a common courtesy that your competitors are
probably doing. You are competing for the best workers just as
you compete for customers. You don't want to be viewed as "Brand X."
Q-3.15 Anything else I should include?
Try to anticipate the questions prospective employees will have and
answer them. If your organization is not well-known, job seekers may
want to know how large it is, something about corporate culture,
dress code, and so on. Most people know that Los Angeles is warm and
sunny, Seattle is rainy, and Chicago is cold and snowy. But if the
local climate is not what most people would expect it would be useful
to point that out.
Acme Widgets is a 6-person progressive company that specializes
in writing X Windows widgets for entering hexadecimal quantities.
Dress code: blue jeans required.
National Gossip Agency is the world's largest employer of
historians. It has 100,000 employees all of whom wear business
suits.
Q-4 What is misc.jobs.resumes?
Misc.jobs.resumes is a place for individuals seeking employment
to post their resumes (or curriculum vitae, aka "cv"). If you feel you need
to post a followup article to an article in misc.jobs.resumes, it should go
to misc.jobs.misc. Discussion of misc.jobs.resumes belongs in misc.jobs.misc.
Many of the suggestions made above apply here as well. Be concise,
limit distribution, and most of all, remember you only get to make one
first impression. Provide a useful Subject line. A Subject line of "resume"
will not help potential employers find your article. Employers will judge
you based on the effort you make when constructing and posting your resume.
Posting your resume to misc.jobs.misc or misc.jobs.offered will not make a
good impression. Howver, if you want to receive comments/review/critique
regarding your resume, then post it instead to misc.jobs.misc with a
clear statement that you are seeking comments rather than employment. If
you post a resume to misc.jobs.misc without such a statement, readers may
assume that you are seeking employment, but cannot be troubled to find the
correct newsgroup to post to.
Also, not everyone has the latest text formatting software. Try to
limit your resume to simple ASCII format, or provide a separate companion
posting if you wish to post your resume in troff, LaTeX or PostScript.
Q-5 What is misc.jobs.misc?
This group exists for job related discussion.
Do not look for a job by posting resumes to misc.jobs.misc.
Do not look for workers by posting job offers to misc.jobs.misc.
Do not post ads of any sort in misc.jobs.misc.
If you are seeking comments/review/critique regarding your resume
(or job offer), you may post it to misc.jobs.misc with a clear statement
that you are seeking comments. Without this statement, readers may assume
that you cannot find the correct newsgroup to post to, and judge you
accordingly.
Most topics relevant to seeking employment, seeking workers, or the
workplace are appropriate here. For example: which items should/shouldn't
be included on a resume, appropriate dress for an interview, salaries,
references, degree vs. experience, working from home, corporate culture,
cubicles vs offices, dating coworkers, layoffs, giving notice, and so on.
Also, followup articles from the .offered and .resumes groups go here.
Discussion regarding the misc.jobs groups goes here as well.
Some topics can easily turn into flamefests, for example drug
testing and affirmative action policies. Please note that other people
have had different experiences than you, and that there is more than one
valid opinion on many of these topics. Even if there is only one valid
opinion, chances are that you will not convince your opponent. Sometimes
you may need to agree to disagree. Also consider that potential employers
and employees may be reading your article. Do they see a reasonable person?
Or do they see someone they would never consider hiring or working for?
Q-6 What is misc.jobs.contract?
This group is for discussion of contract work, as opposed
to an "employee" full or part-time position. Currently it serves
for offers of contract work, offers of availability of contract
workers, and general discussion.
Job offers in misc.jobs.contract should follow the same
guidelines as offers in misc.jobs.offered.
Q-7 How many people will see my posting?
According to the December 1990 statistics compiled by Brian
Reid, misc.jobs.offered is the third-most read newsgroup, read by an
estimated 140,000 readers worldwide. Misc.jobs.resumes is read
by an estimated 50,000 people worldwide, misc.jobs.misc is read
by 71,000 people, and misc.jobs.contract is read by 37,000. See
the newsgroup "news.lists" for the latest estimates.
Q-8 How often can I re-post an article?
If you do not get any (or any interesting) responses from
your job posting or resume, you may want to post it again. But
first, be patient. It can take 15 days for an article to reach uunet,
which is a *very* well connected site. Presumably it can take even
longer for an article to reach less well connected sites. Then, even once
an article arrives, not everyone reads every group every day. If you need
to re-post an article, wait until 30 days have passed from the previous
posting. Frequent repostings waste resources and annoy readers.
Q-9 How do I update an article with new information,
correct a mistake, or otherwise improve it?
Once your article has been posted, you cannot go back and edit it.
However, Usenet allows articles to be "canceled". If you have posted
an article and later decide you need to correct a mistake, update the
information, or otherwise improve it, you can cancel the original article
and then post a new, improved article. (Or use a "Supersedes:" header
line.) See also: Q-11.
Q-10 What do I do once the job is filled (or I find a job)?
Once the position is filed (or you find a job), you should
cancel your job posting (or resume/cv). This will save people
time responding to your posting, and will save you time responding
to them. See also: Q-11.
Q-11 How do I cancel an article?
The usual way to cancel an article is to bring it up in your
newsreader, and then issue a cancel command. In the "rn" newsreader,
the cancel command is "C". If you are using another newsreader, see the
documentation for the newsreader, or contact the news administrator
or technical support staff for your site. I cannot assist you with other
software.
In "rn", you can search for an article with the following commands:
/search-pattern/ searches Subject: lines forward from current article
/search-pattern/h searches all header lines forward from current article
/search-pattern/a searches entire articles forward from current article
?search-pattern? searches Subject: lines backward from current article
?search-pattern?h searches all header lines backward from current article
?search-pattern?a searches entire articles backward from current article
You may add an 'r' to also search articles you have already read.
Examples:
/mylogin@mycomputer/hr
?mylogin@mycomputer?hr
For newsreader software other than "rn" please see the documentation
or contact technical support.
Q-12 What is a "Keywords:" line, and how do I make one?
Usenet articles have two sections: a header and a body. The
header contains lines used by the news system itself, like
which newsgroups an article is posted to. The header comes first,
then comes a blank line, then the body of the article.
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