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This file is organized into four major topics:
Miscellaneous Travel Tips
Overseas Travel with Toddler
Airplane Travel
Car Travel
Train Travel
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*** MISCELLANEOUS TRAVEL TIPS ***
Hi! I belong to a mailing list made up of about 100 parents of children
born in 1994 and early 1995. Recently I put together a summary of ideas for
surviving long car trips using some info from the misc.kids.faq, but most
from our group. Our group is called OURKIDS. If you feel that any of this
information is useful, please feel free to include it in the misc.kids FAQ.
SUMMARY OF IDEAS FOR LONG CAR TRIPS
1. Travel late at night or very early in the morning while they are still
SLEEPING. Pray that your child will sleep.
2. Bring lots of SNACKS to keep them eating - this usually keeps
them quiet. Be careful that your child does not choke as it is
pretty difficult to stop the car and get them out of the car seat
quickly. Try and bring along non-messy snacks. (ie. juice boxes,
gold fish, rice cakes, cheerios, cheese, cut up fruit, teddy
grahams, pretzel sticks, sliced grapes, raisins)
Spread a large towel over the entire back seat to catch thrown
cookies/crackers/bottles.
3. Bring TOYS that your child has not seen before - something that
will catch their eye. One person had great success with a mini
photo album of various family shots. Another person suggested
wrapping them up in pretty paper and letting the child tear the
paper off. Avoid toys that make noise that would irritate the poor
driver ie. nothing with batteries or flashing lights.
Another toy suggestion is a role of clear tape. Apparently they
love to tape themselves the seat, you etc. Also, a ball made of
sticky tape.
A Magna Doodle.
A paper cup from McDonalds with a plastic lid and straw -
apparently hours of entertainment 8-)
4. Stop for a BREAK every 1.5 to 2 hours and let your child burn
some steam running around. Stop at rest areas where there will
be room for your child to run around - restaurants may not allow
for this (unless it's a McDonald's with a play area) One ourkidder
suggested avoiding stops because of the difficulty of getting ourkid
back in the car seat! Blow some bubbles at the rest stop.
5. If the trip is very long, (ie. more than 6 hours) stop and stay the
night somewhere - maybe at another ourkids' place :) or in a hotel
with a swimming pool and playground that your child would enjoy.
6. If possible, sit beside your child in the vehicle.
7. Take extra bags for dirty diapers just in case there is no place to
put them. Plan on how to change the diaper in the car if there is
no place convenient to do so. Bring some water just in case the
diaper is *really* messy and you need some extra water to clean it
up. Use a nose clip. Change the diaper often because sitting on
a wet diaper for long periods increases the chance of a diaper
rash. Use a good barrier cream.
8. Point out passing vehicles (ie. big trucks) or bridges to keep them
focussed on something.
9. Sing songs - finger play songs are a big hit with some (ie. Itsy
Bitsy Spider)
10. Books! Small, easy to handle. New ones that they haven't seen
before.
11. Stuffed animals and puppets. One ourkidder has success playing
with hand puppets from the front seat.
12. Use car shades to keep the sun out of their eyes. Sun glasses
work too if your child will wear them. Take sun screen and a hat.
13. Pack tylenol for yourself :)
14. If your car has a cassette or CD player, bring along familiar music.
15. Bring your good humour and lots of energy. Try smile.
16. Don't go - stay home instead. :)
17. Avoid travelling during rush hour so you don't get "stuck" in traffic.
18. Give them a little Benedryl to help them relax!
19. For an older ourkid, take a potty just in case.
20. Buy a van.
email: kmakortoff@ccinet.ab.ca
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From: Ellen M. Stier (estier@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU)
"California With Kids" is the best book investment we've made since we
became a "family". It gives lots of general travel tips in the beginning
(what to pack, what to eat, schedules, hotels/motels, camping, flying,
public transportation, etc.), then goes into detailed descriptions on
all kinds of places in California -- small town rural to big city centers.
We visited San Diego for the first time last month, and this book was our
guide. Everything is written from the perspective of what your child(ren)
will think about it. Tells what restaurants are family-friendly. Invites
reader input (if you visit places in this book and find that what is
written is no longer true, write and tell us). When I first saw the book
I read the section on our part of the state (San Luis Obispo and the
central coast). I found out things I never knew about things right "next
door". It was really up-to-date (had the children's museum in it that
opened less than a year ago). I figured if it did that good of a job on
our little area, it would do a good job on others, too. We haven't been
disappointed!
There's so much I like about it, it's hard to remember it all, but one
thing we found particularly useful was that it includes phone numbers,
price ranges, and hours things are open. It's published by Frommes. I
guess they do a lot of travel guides. It's written by two moms.
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From: Susan Gauch (sgauch@dworkin.ccs.northeastern.edu)
For those who are not opposed to the occasional use of drugs with
children, here are suggestions passed on to us (from doctors, by
the way).
1) For older children (>1?) you can use pediatric (i.e. liquid)
dramamine to calm them. This is available over-the-counter in
some drug stores in the States. It is WIDELY available in
Canada under the brand name Gravol. I found that it is more
effective on my daughter now she is 2.5, and that it will make
her somewhat more relaxed if she is wide awake, and make her
sleep if she is already tired (i.e. an hour past her regular
nap/bedtime). It had no visible effect when she was 1.5.
2) For young children, our pediatrician said that benelyn cough
syrup should make her drowsy. Warning: it has the opposite effect
on some children, so try it at home one day before you
go on a trip. This also had no effect on our daughter.
3) When things get really serious, you can get, by prescription,
chloral hydrate (knock-out drops). This tastes bitter, so use
it in orange juice. This definitely works, but seems drastic.
We used this at one a.m. on a 1.5 year old that usually went to bed
at 9.
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From: Judy Leedom Tyrer (judy@locus.com)
General travel tips:
If the trip is a long one, purchase several new toys (we use one an hour for
airplanes, but that would be prohibitive for long car drives) to take with
you. New toys are special and played with most when first purchased.
Be sure and take lots of snacks and drinks and spare changes of clothes
which are handy. Anything you might need, you probably will need.
Long trips are easier at night so the children can sleep (it they will)
part of the time.
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From: Diane C. Lin (dlin@weber.ucsd.edu)
Tip for Hotel Stay with Infant:
On a recent trip to the Bay Area with our 10-month old son, we
booked a hotel room with a crib. Luckily, our room also had two
king-sized beds, because Dylan would not sleep in this unfamiliar
crib! We ended up with Dylan sleeping with me in one bed while my
husband slept in the other bed. (He can't ever sleep with Dylan in
the same bed--Dylan makes him too nervous.) It worked out
wonderfully well for us, as Dylan and I like to cuddle and he gets
the reassurance of having mommy right next to him in a strange
place, and Gary got a good night's sleep!
We were also lucky enough to have a small refrigerator in our room,
so we always had some apple juice on hand, and some cheese for
snacks.
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*** OVERSEAS TRAVEL WITH TODDLER ***
[Note: These were sent in response to a request for tips on
overseas travel with an 18 month old toddler. The original
requestor's summary of her trip is at the end]
From: guthrie@nb.rockwell.com (Karen Guthrie)
Try some liquid dramamine before you go to see if it makes her sleepy.
Then after the new has worn off the trip give her a dose and put her
to sleep for a while. If she is like mine, without it she will not
sleep hardly at all and you will end up with the most tired child
you have ever seen. Here liquid dramamine is an over the counter
drug. We did this with Chelsea when she was 3.5yo because we had
VERY bad memories of a trip from LA California to the Bahamas when
she was 17 months. It worked like a charm. She was still tired
but nothing like she would have been.
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I flew from Zurich to LA and back with Daniel who was 14 months at the
time, and we're going to LA again in a couple of weeks. The flights
weren't bad--one was during the day, one overnight. Just have enough
toys, a few familiar, a few new, snacks, juice, etc to last the time.
We also spent some time walking the aisles. Its good that there are
two of you. We had much more problems with jet lag. Toddlers don't
understand jet lag and the need to overcome it, when they are wide
awake, there is really nothing to do but play with them--even if it is
3 in the morning. Daniel adjusted at the rate of about an hour a day.
A friend of mine who regularly flies back and forth between LA and
Paris with her small children gives them sleeping pills the first couple
of nights and claims it works well. I'm probably going to try this
this time as well.
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From: troy@hogpa.att.com
Congratulations! I hope it is fun. My husband and I took our 17 month
old son to Paris for 12 days this past April. Unfortunately, I can tell
you that the flight was not a whole lot of fun. Going over we took a
red eye, going back we flew during the day. The red eye worked out well,
but the return during the day was extremely difficult. However, it is
survivable. We did some things right and some wrong.
First, the things we did right. We *insisted* on bulkhead seats at the
window and aisle in Paris (Orly). Believe it or not, this was a huge
effort. First they couldn't believe we wanted to be ticketed for a
window and aisle. Then they tried to insist that we had to purchase a
ticket for my son. Fortunately, we speak French well enough to get the
point across and were adament and offered to speak to a supervisor to
settle the issue. Then when we left, we realized that they had not
ticketed us in the same row as going over (it was the same type of
plane and we had checked where the bulkhead was) and had to go back to
get bulkhead seats. Most other parents were not so fortunate and most
of the bulkhead row was filled with elderly folks who could have cared
less while we had arrived three hours early to get the seats we wanted.
We brought a number of toys to play with, all wrapped individually, none
over $3. This really helped. I planned for a toy an hour and then over-
bought so that we could be sure to have enough. This was good since some
things were duds and others were great. Little cans of playdough were a
messy, but favorite choice. I just tried not to think about the mess we
left (I hate to do this and have been known to pick up the floor in
restaurants after my son). (I wrapped them in left over Hannukah paper
and he didn't know the difference at all.) This was a net idea that helped.
We brought Cheerios in individual bowls and juice boxes and bananas. These
are among my son's favorite foods, but were a mixed blessing. Eating in
Paris with a young child is difficult. Many restaurants don't allow kids
this young and restaurants don't usually open until 7 or 7:30 pm so my son
had had more than he liked of Cheerios, apple juice, bananas and any other
variation we could come up with in a small local market. But since the
airplane food wasn't really acceptable for him, we made do just fine.
Needless to say our carry-on backpack was quite full.
I let him walk up and down the aisles, not stopping unless other adults
stopped him. Few folks seemed to mind, and one of the stewards was
delighted with him and stopped to play whenever he had a chance. One
older gentleman did approach me, look me in the eye, announced just this,
"He's too young," and stomped off. I was already beyond my limits, so I
just ignored it and turned back to the steward who was there at the time
and shrugged. I also let my son do things I wouldn't otherwise do, like
play with the small cans of juice left out for passengers by the bathrooms
during the flight.
We let him sleep on the floor in front of us on one of the airplane blankets
with a blanket over him. He was comfortable and we just had to find room
for our feet.
Now some of the mistakes. We hoped my son would sleep a lot on the return
flight and so got him up very early (5:30 am for a 10 am flight), fed him,
let him run all over the airport and otherwise amuse himself and use as
much energy as possible. Big mistake. He slept the same length as usual,
1 and 1/2 hours right after we boarded, woke up as lunch arrived, and then
was as cranky as he ever was through the flight.
We resorted to spanking him when our frustration and exhaustion got to us.
We have almost never resorted to this in the past (maybe a light tap on the
bottom once in a month or two). He just became more difficult and unhappy
and then resented us for the treatment.
We hoped that the airplane would have more food that he could eat in our
lunches. Except for the bread, there was almost nothing for him.
We didn't press hard for seat assignments to be given to us here. We got
our tickets through a consolidator (for the first time) and didn't really
give this a lot of thought. I'd bet that we could have gotten assignments
if we had worked hard at it.
Anyway, I certainly have rambled on more than long enough! Although it was
difficult and I'm sure that I won't remember as much of the sights as I
would have if we'd done this trip B.K. (before Kyle), I will never forget
his face as he chased as many pigeons, dogs and babies as he saw throughout
Paris. And we did some things we wouldn't have done without him. The parks,
local as well as large attractions, were delightful! We saw some incredible
parks just because whenever we had a minute we tried to hit one for him to
get some running around time in. We did a lot of window shopping on the way
between things since he walked so slowly. And we just generally did things
at a different pace in a different way than we would have done otherwise.
I'm not exactly sure that I'd do it again between a year and 18 months, but
I wouldn't give up the experience for anything!
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subject: Overseas travel - report
We took our 18 m onth old daughter, Taisa, to France (one week in the
Alps and another on the coast in Provence) last month. Things went
very well. Here are some of the things we did (or lucked into) that
went well.
Basically, we had a great time, Taisa was healthy and happy the entire
two weeks, and even the plane travel went well. We tried to get Taisa
to sleep on the plane (11 hrs) but were pretty much unsuccessful, even
having given her some childrens dramamine and some phenergen,
suggestions from reponders to my request and our pediatrician,
respectively. However, Taisa was happy the entire time and made up
her sleep upon arrival, so it didn't really matter. We had plenty of
new books and lots of paper and markers to draw with. That and lots
of interaction with other people passed the time on the plane.
It took her about 3 days to adjust to the 9-hr time change. Two
nights were tough (she'd wake at 10:30 after sleeping a couple of
hours and want to play for a couple of hours). We'd take her to bed
with us to try to sleep ourselves (I was working the first week).
After two nights of this, she was back to sleeping through the night
and regular nap time. The hotels all had decent cribs and we wished
we had left the porta-crib at home because she happily slept in the
hotel cribs.
The French love dogs and they are everywhere - Taisa, the dog-crazed
child, had a great time with them. Everyone was very nice to her and
gave her chocolate all the time (the baby who had never had even a
cookie before! - oh well, when in Rome...) Of course, mama had to
confiscate some of that chocolate :-). She loved the baby pools
(they're great - only about 6 inches of water so the little ones can
run around and, as in T's case, pretend to "shveem") as well as the
ocean.
Taisa is very social and was disconcerted the first day when people
didn't respond to her 'hi!". I told her that she needed to say
"bonjour" in France and soon she was off, saying bonjour, bonsoir,
merci, au revoir, ca va, beaucoup, and cinq (high-fives). Incredible
how they soak up language at this age (she is already bi-lingual in
her current vocabulary, as I talk to her only in Ukrainian, perhaps
that helped her to pick up the French words easily).
Other things we did/had done:
* Didn't buy a seat but were lucky enough to get a free one each way
on the plane;
* Didn't take a car seat and let Taisa be held by one of us the small
amount of the time we were in cars (no idea whether we broke any laws
but I suspect not since the rental co (Hertz) had no seats available
for rent); (we explained upon arrival that we were back home now and
she needed to be in a carseat at all times as well as not eating
chocolate - I think she wants to defect :-)
* Traveled by train in France, and bought a "Carte Kiwi", which is a
card that entitles those traveling with children to tremendous
discounts on the French trains (all systems);
* Got a suite as often as was available. Had the crib in the bedroom
so that we could stay up and read and talk in the "salon" after she
went to bed.
Basically we were very lucky that she stayed healthy and had just
finished her last (bicuspid) teething bouts before we left. But I'd
like to encourage anyone who's considering such a trip to go for it -
we were all much happier for having made the trip together.
Marta Kosarchyn
maka@nsa.hp.com
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*** AIRPLANE TIPS ***
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From: galdes@bobcat.esd.sgi.com (Deb Galdes)
I came across an article in the May 1995 edition of BayAreaParent magazine
concerning car seats and airplanes. Some of it goes against the common
thinking that children who use car seats in automobiles should also use car
seats on airplanes. The article is by Susan Kerr. Here are the major
points...
"Buckling your child up in a car or booster seat on board an airplane
may seem the safe thing to do, but it could be more dangerous than just
using the seat belt.
This was one of several surprising results of simulated airplane impact
tests conducted by the Federal Aviation Administration utilizing six
categories of child restraint devices and four types of child-sized crash
test dummies. What the experiments revealed is that children age 3 and up
can use regular seat belts and be offered the same level of protection
provided to adults. Infants weighing less than 20 pounds should use
backward-facing car seats.
Unfortunately, no clearcut advice exists for those in-between
children -- babies and toddlers who typically use forward-facing car
seats or sit on an adult's lap on the plane. Car seats provided less
than desirable protection, and seat belts were inadequate for any child
under age 3."
"The biggest loser in the tests was booster seats. The potential for
abdominal and head injury was severe enough for the FFA to say that any
child large enough for a booster seat is protected just as well by the
airplane seat belts.
Forward-facing car seats got mixed reviews. Many proved difficult to
install and adjust properly in the cramped aircraft setting."
"Furthermore, because airline lap belts and seat backs operate at
different angles and positions than in cars, often a car seat cannot
operate properly."
"And once installed, the forward-facing car seats performed poorly.
In tests of eight different forward-facing seat models, all resulted
in the dummy's head hitting the seat in front of it.
Also unacceptable is the common practice of holding the child."
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From: Susan Gauch (sgauch@dworkin.ccs.northeastern.edu)
1) Fly on red-eyes for long trips. Your child should sleep (see
above). Be sure there is someone else to care for him/her
when s/he wakes the next day as you will be beat.
2) Use car seats on planes. Safety aside, children are used to
sitting still/sleeping in them so they put up with the confinement
better.
3) Board the plane at the last possible moment. You may choose
to pre-board one person with the gear, but put the child on the
plane at the last possible moment.
4) Bring lots of finger foods.
5) Have babies nurse/drink a bottle for takeoff and landing.
Feed dry foods during the flight so the child will be thirstly
upon landing.
6) Bring one or two new toys for long flights.
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From: Steve Wincor (wincor@force.decnet.lockheed.com)
We have gone on many trips over the years and have taken or sons with us.
The trips have included cruises, plane trips, and long car rides. About two
years ago we went on a six week trip to Europe. A friend of mine gave me
this Jet-Lag diet which really worked. As an aside the only problem on the
flight itself was our 4 yr old son wanting to sleep sideways on the airline
seats...a painful experience for us. Other than that he was kept busy on
the plane with various toys. The trip itself was great; we were worn out,
but he was going strong till we got back. He did not speak any languages, but
made many friends (kids seem to speak a universal language!). Here is the
Jet-Lag "diet".
Here is one version of the Jet-Lag diet. The concept for most are the same.
I have also typed in part of the article about this diet. You may want to
ask your pediatrician if it's OK for children.
This is a diet that has nothing to do with making you skinny; it makes you
timely! This diet is based on a three day feast and fast cycle to help
reset the body's internal clock to a new time zone.
* THREE DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE. Eat heartily. Breakfast and lunch should be
high in protein, dinner rich in carbohydrates.
* TWO DAYS BEFORE. Eat only 700 calories: juices, salads, light soups.
* ONE DAY BEFORE. Eat heartily.
* DEPARTURE DAY. Don't eat at all on the plane UNLESS the meal is cued
to the time zone you are traveling to. Don't drink alcoholic beverages.
The pattern of fast-feast-fast will lead your body to anticipate change.
In particular, the lack of carbohydrates on day two seems to help the
body clock adjust to the new zone.
Excerpts from a Chicago Tribune article. The Jet Lag diet was developed
by an Argonne National Labs scientist. Years of research on circadian
rhythms, the body's internal clock have produced a method of avoiding
jet lag by changing meal times, food eaten and environmental influences,
said Charles Ehret, an Argonne biologist.
The Army recently used his jet lag diet to keep troops alert after a 14hr
flight from Fort Bragg, NC to Egypt to participate in maneuvers.
(article talks specifics...as listed above)
Feast days should consist of three full meals. Breakfast and luch should be
high in protein, which helps the body stay awake, dinner should be high in
carbohydrates, such as pasta, which stimulate sleep.
Fast day meals are low in carbohydrates and calories. A typical meal would
be about 700 calories, such as a skimpy salad, thin soup, and half of a slice
of bread. Coffee and other drinks containing caffeine should be consumed
only in the afternoon.
On the trip,, such as a nine hour flight from New York to Paris that crosses
six time zones, a traveler should time meals so that the last meal eaten on
the plane is appropriate to the most recent meal in the new time zone.
If the traveler arrives in Paris during the day, he should eat a high protein
breakfast or lunch to keep awake. If the traveler lands in the evening, he
should have a high carbohydrate meal to induce sleep.
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All the info contained in the article, and diet need to be followed to the
letter. This really works. I know many people that fly to Europe
regularly and use this, and they say it works. So good luck!
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From: Judy Leedom Tyrer
Get the bulkhead. The extra leg room can be used for the child to play on
the floor or sleep (infants only). The disadvantages come in that you don't
have a tray and if the child is on the floor, you have to curl your feet
up in your lap or lean them against the wall in front of you. But by an
large I have always preferred the bulkhead to seats further back.
Preboard. A lot of people will advise against this as it means you are on
the plane longer. However, on a busy flight, without preboarding you may
not be able to put your baggage in the overhead directly above you, in which
case getting at the diaperbag, etc is much more difficult.
Even though children under 2 don't need seats, I highly recommend buying a seat
for a mobile child (car seat safety issues aside). My toddlers have never
been great at being held once they could walk. But somehow sitting in their
own seat is not as confining as sitting in Mom's lap.
If possible, get a layover on long cross country flights. Two 2 hour flights
with lots of time to run around and play in the airport (and, of course, buy
a new toy for the next leg of the trip) is far easier than one 4 hour flight.
Don't feed your child pickles for lunch before a flight (;-)
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From: Susan Carr (smc@sequent.com)
Couldn't remember who's keeping the file on this stuff, but somebody
recently mentioned tape for airplane travel. My husband just went
round trip portland to Rhode Island with David, who's 3 1/2. The most
popular (infact, almost exclusively played with) toy was the "office
supplies". This included a whole roll of scotch tape, a large pack of
colored post-its, stapler & lots of extra staples, paper punch, paper
clips, scissors, rubber bands, glue sticks, markers, crayons, a lined
tablet, and a pile of construction paper. The airline crew probably
spent hours removing the resulting mess from the walls, but as people
were deboarding several complimented us on what a well-behaved child
David was on the plane! He has continued to play with this stuff in
the month he's been home - it's still one of his favorite toys.
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From: Bob Lipman
We (me, wife, and 2 kids (2 and 4 years old)) flew from
Palm Beach, FL to Washington, DC changing planes in Atlanta.
We bought 3 tickets and took the car seat on the plane
for the 4 year old. The almost 2 year old sat on my lap.
In the past, when we traveled with only one infant the bulkhead
seats were OK. It gave us room to put the infant on the floor,
however, now we don't request those seats. To our horror, we
were assigned those seats on the Atlanta to Washington part of the
trip. That presented several problems. (1) Getting the car seat
in was almost impossible. The armrest for the bulkhead seats is
unmovable, making getting the car seat to fit very difficult.
(2) Once the car seat was in place, the tray table, which stows
in the fixed armrest, could not be used because of the car seat.
(3) The tray table at the bulkhead seats is lower than a regular
car seat, making eating with a child on my lap impossible.
Fortunately, Delta was able to switch the three of us with the
three people behind us who agreed to move. In return, they got
free drink coupons. We didn't. Oh, a fourth reason the bulkhead
seats wouldn't have worked out (4) No place to leave carry-on baggage
at your feet or at least very cramped.
Even with the non-bulkhead seats, with our carseat (Fisher-Price)
and the seat spacing, the traytable could not be used on that
particular flight. We could use the tray table with the carseat
on the the legs of our flight.
For meals on the plane we had one regular meal, one kids meal
(hot dog or hamburger), and one fruit plate. This gave a lot
of variety and kept everybody happy. The best eating seating
arrangement was put the 2 year old in the car seat, put the
armrest up between my wife and I and squeeze the 4 year old
between us. She's small. One meal one one tray table, two meals
(with trays turned 90 degrees) on the other tray table. The only
thing I didn't have room for was my right arm. It was up on top of
the seat or on my wife's shoulder.
Anybody else with any other airplane travel tips?
I must also put in a word for my kids, they were real troopers.
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