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California's. Second, the smog checkers recognize that it's a 49-state car
and test it to the appropriate standard. Third, any well-maintained car
should have no problem passing even the stiffer California standards. A
modern catalytic converter-equipped car should be putting out air that's
almost as clean as it's taking in.
It's hard to generalize for older vehicles, such as those without catalytic
converters. The 49-state and CA emissions standards were quite different
way back when, and it's not unusual to be required to retrofit such items as
closed PCV systems and air pumps.
You don't have to bring a 49-state car up to CA tailpipe standards. The
stated purpose of the smog impact fee ($300) law is to fund checking up to
see if this was once a California car which was taken out of state and is
now being brought back in as a 49-state car not in compliance with CA's
standards. Many cars are "50-state cars", and have an emissions sticker
which claims that they meet the CA emissions standards, even if bought in
Maine. These cars are not subject to the $300 fee.
What you really do have to watch out for is removed smog control parts which
were perhaps legal, or quasi-legal to remove some places so long as the
emissions met local standards. In CA (and in many other states as well) the
smog test includes a visual equipment check: certain emissions-control
components must be installed and functional, regardless of the outcome of
the tailpipe test. This is because the tailpipe test is under very
restricted conditions (at idle and at one steady-state speed with no load)
and doesn't check all of the emissions species (just unburned hydrocarbons
and carbon monoxide). In contrast, the vehicle manufacturer had to
demonstrate compliance over a much more representative driving cycle, had to
meet standards for oxides of nitrogen and evaporative emissions, and had to
meet 50K or 100K mile durability requirements. More than one out-of-state
vehicle has met the recommendation "take it to Nevada and sell it" when the
cost of replacing such parts exceeded the value of the car.
Laws: vehicle equipment
15.Is window tinting legal? What about pull-down blinds and window stickers?
from john@storcon.com (John Hunley) on 14 Dec and 15 Dec 1992:
The applicable paragraph in the CVC is 26708. It's too long to quote here
in full, but basically what it says (disclaimer: this is my own personal
interpretation, I'm not a lawyer, don't come running to me if you get
nailed) is that you may not operate with "any object or material placed,
displayed, installed, affixed, or applied upon the windshield or side or
rear windows." Side windows to the rear of the driver are exempted
(26708b4), as is the rear window IF you have mirrors on both left- and
right-hand sides (26708b8). Tinted safety glass is permitted by 26708.5b.
Therefore, the basic distinction is whether you have tinted glass or tinting
that is stuck onto the glass. There's no mention of "factory" vs. "third
party." A third-party tint job would be legal if it was done by replacing
the windshield and front windows with tinted safety glass, rather than by
sticking or painting something onto the existing glass.
An interesting side note is that 26708a3 specifically includes snow and ice
as an obstruction covered under 26708. So you can get a ticket for 26708
for having snow or ice on your windshield or front windows, as well as
stick-on tinting. Same violation.
The pull-down blinds are permitted ONLY if the driver or front passenger has
a signed document from a physician or optometrist (CVC 26708b10) stating
that they are required due to a medical or visual condition. CVC 26708b3
allows "signs, stickers, or other materials which are displayed in a 7-inch
square in the lower corner of the windshield ... [or] ... rear window
farthest removed from the driver, or ... in a 5-inch square in the lower
corner of the windshield nearest the driver."
Also exempted are such things as rearview mirrors, rear window wiper
hardware, rear trunk lid handles and hinges, destination signs on busses,
magnifying or wide-angle lenses on the passenger side window of a truck, and
of course the standard equipment sun visors.
16.Do I need chains in the mountains if I have snow tires? If so, what kind?
from ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu) on 10 dec 1992:
According to my memory according to a pamphlet put out by CalTrans a
few years ago, chain requirements come in three varieties:
1. Chains required. Four-wheel drive or snow tires OK.
2. Chains required. Four-wheel drive with snow tires OK.
3. Chains required on all vehicles, including four-wheel drive.
Usually you'll see #2, although I've seen #1 before. The pamphlet
said they'll usually close the road instead of doing a #3. Tires
marked M/S or M+S qualify as snow tires [CVC 27459]. Chains must be
installed on at least two drive wheels [CVC 27459]. Four wheel
drive vehicles must still carry chains.
The chain requirements used to surprise my non-CA friends. If you
haven't seen them enforced yet:
You'll see the Chains Required sign. Lots of people will be
pulled off the side of the road putting on chains. Various
people wander from car to car offering to put your chains on
for a fee (but they're not allowed to sell chains). Farther
down the road, a checkpoint checks EVERY car that tries to continue.
If you don't meet the chain requirement, they turn you back.
In short, if you're driving in the Sierra, they're very good to have.
Also, there's a toll-free CalTrans road condition number [see the
phone numbers question in this FAQ].
from dhepner@cup.hp.com (Dan Hepner) on 9 dec 1992:
Most people could indeed drive the passes when snow covered without
chains, IF the road were more or less clear of other cars. But in
stop-n-go driving, common in the Sierra during a snow storm, required
chains are what prevents total chaos.
-- And, if so, what would y'all recommend?
For infrequent usage, such as having the bad luck to hit snow on a
Sierra pass during a drought, consider the cable type. For frequent
usage, or maximum effect, use the real thing.
Watch out for oversized tires, or even maximally sized tires on front
wheel drive. The chains can extend wide enough to hit other front-end
components. Cables mitigate this problem.
Laws: enforcement (see also "Radar and speed trap" section)
17.Can a local cop cite you for speeding on an Interstate?
Yes. For felonies and public offenses (which include infractions and
misdemeanors) in the presence of the officer, or actions that could cause
great bodily harm or death, the sworn POST (Peace Officers Standard
Training) certified officer is empowered in the entire state [see Penal
Code 830, 832, 1523]. Furthermore, the authority of sheriffs, police
officers, etc., extends to any place in the state as to any public offense
committed (or believed to have been committed) within the political
subdivision which employs him or her [Penal Code 830.1].
18.Can a CHP officer write a ticket for an offense not committed on a freeway?
Yes [Penal Code 830.2(a)].
19.What's the difference between the CA Highway Patrol and the CA State Police?
The primary duty of CHP officers is enforcement of the vehicle code [Penal
Code 830.2(a)]. The primary duty of CSP officers is to "provide police
services for the protection of state officers, and the protection of state
properties and occupants thereof" [Penal Code 830.2(b)].
Radar and speed traps
20.What are some locations of speed and carpool lane enforcement traps?
entry format: zone, city or area, road, posted speed, submitter
zones:
Bay area
Central Valley
LA metro
N CA rural
S CA rural
San Diego metro
Certain fields omitted where not applicable. A ? indicates missing
data. Direction before the road indicates submitter specified that
direction of travel as the speed trap.
If you would like to add to or correct the speed traps list, please
send entries in the format you see here. Please tell me
if you wish to remain anonymous. If you don't tell me, I will list
you as a submitter. This list was originally compiled by stevea@locus.com.
Bay Area, Atherton, Middlefield Rd, 25, jazzman
Bay Area, Berkeley, Adeline Ave., 25 + Basic Speed Law voided, georgew
Bay Area, Palo Alto, San Antonio Rd. @ 101, 35, howardp
Bay Area, Campbell, Hamilton Ave. E. of Saratoga Ave, 35, joe
Bay Area, Campbell, Leigh Ave. S. of Hamilton Ave, 35, joe
Bay Area, Campbell, Hwy 85 (CHP uses radar), 65, georgewu
Bay Area, Cor?elia, I-80 near where it meets I-680, 65, muir
Bay Area, Cupertino, Hwy 85 (CHP uses radar), 65, georgewu
Bay Area, Fremont, Grimmer Blvd near Blacow Rd--no speed limit sign, 35, marcb
Bay Area, Fremont, Mission Blvd and Nursery Ave, 50, marcb
Bay Area, Fremont, Paseo Padre near Covington Dr, 30, marcb
Bay Area, Fremont, Paseo Padre Pkwy near Darwin Dr, 30, marcb
Bay Area, Fremont, 5 Corners area (Fremont/Washington/Union etc.), 25/35, marcb
Bay Area, Los Altos, Foothill Expr @ Loyola fire house, 45, georgewu
Bay Area, Los Altos Hills, Foothill Expr north of Edith, 45, georgewu
Bay Area, Los Altos Hills, I-280 S. at Magdelena Rd (CHP hides off of freeway),
65, jazzman
Bay Area, Livermore, Alden Lane, 25, poffen
Bay Area, Livermore, 1st Street, 25, poffen
Bay Area, Los Gatos, N Hwy 17 Summit Rd to Hwy 9, 50, marcb
Bay Area, Milpitas, Barber Ln., south of firehouse, 35, gmandel
Bay Area, Milpitas, McCarthy Blvd. btw. 237 & Tasman, 35, gmandel
Bay Area, Milpitas, Milpitas Blvd S of Jacklin Rd, ??, owen
Bay Area, Mtn View, Easy St access ramp from Central Expwy to CA 85, 25, Anon.
Bay Area, Mtn View, Old Middlefield Rd., after US 101 N. offramp, 35, chucko
Bay Area, Mtn View, Rengstorff and Montecito, 35, chucko
Bay Area, Mtn View, US 101 north at CA 85, 65 (CHP hides under bridge), Anon.
Bay Area, Mtn View, US 101 north of Moffett Field/Castro overpass,
65 (CHP hides way off road), jet
Bay Area, Mtn View, Hwy 85 S. of El Camino (CHP uses radar), 65, georgewu
Bay Area, Oakland, Mandela Pkwy (Cypress Blvd), 35, Anon.
Bay Area, Oyster Point, US 101 between SF Airport & Candlestick, 65, lstowell
Bay Area, Palo Alto, N I-280 from vista pts. near Alpine Rd., 65 tsu
Bay Area, Palo Alto or M. View?, San Antonio Rd by Sun PAL-1 building, 35, owen
Bay Area, Palo Alto, Alma, 25/35 or 30?, owen
Bay Area, Palo Alto, Page Mill Rd, 35, Anon.
Bay Area, Pinole, I-80, 65, owen
Bay Area, Redwood City, I-280 @ Farm Hill Road exit ramp, 30?, Anon.
Bay Area, San Carlos/Belmont/San Mateo, I-280 @ Hwy 92, 65, lstowell
Bay Area, San Francisco, E Bosworth and Lippard Sts, stop sign, tsu
Bay Area, San Francisco, 18th and Danver Sts, stop sign, tsu
Bay Area, San Francisco, SE Portola Dr. nr Glenview, 35 (25 during school), tsu
Bay Area, San Jose, I-880 @ US 101 both directions, 65, Anon.
Bay Area, San Jose, Montague railroad and 101 overpasses, 45, georgew
Bay Area, Santa Clara, E Montague @ Lafayette, 45, woolsey
Bay Area, Santa Clara, Lawrence Expressway, 50, Anon.
Bay Area, Santa Clara, San Tomas Expressway, 45, Anon.
Bay Area, Santa Clara, San Tomas Expressway, 45, Anon.
Bay Area, Saratoga, Saratoga Ave. @ Hwy 85, 35, gmandel
Bay Area, Saratoga, Hwy 85 (CHP uses radar), 65, georgewu
Bay Area, Sausalito, US 101 over Waldo Grade, 55, Anon.
Bay Area, Sunnyvale, Central Expressway--recessed portion, 50, dhepner
Bay Area, Sunnyvale, Lawrence Stn Rd btw Elko & Old Mtn Vw-Alviso, 25, jazzman
Bay Area, Sunnyvale, Wolfe Road between Evelyn and I-280, 35, dhepner
Bay Area, Vallejo, I-80 just NE of Vallejo at top of hill, 65, muir
Central Valley, Auburn area, I-80 between Auburn & Alta, 55, muir
Central Valley, Bakersfield, I-5 near Bakersfield, 65, lstowell
Central Valley, Davis, I-80 @ Davis I-80 business loop, 65, muir
Central Valley, Los Banos area, I-5 near CA 152, 65, lstowell
Central Valley, Sacramento, I-80 thru Davis-Sacramento moderately bad, 65, muir
LA metro, Corona, CA 91, 55, mcgillis
LA metro, Grapevine area, I-5, 55, lstowell
LA metro, Palms/West LA, Venice @ Kelton (btw Sepulveda & Overland), 40, cjones
LA metro, W of LAX, Vista Del Mar--Rosecrans to Culver Blvd, 35/40/45, stevea
N CA Rural, , I-80 between Sacramento & Tahoe, 55, lstowell
N CA rural, El Dorado Co., US 50 from Placerville to Sac. Co. line, 55, Anon.
S CA Rural, Solvang, US 101, 55, lstowell
S CA Rural, King City, US 101 in King City, 55, raveling
S CA Rural, San Ardo, US 101 N. near Los Lobos Rd., 55, jmwd
S CA Rural, San Luis Obispo (?), Hwy 1 near San Bernardo Creek Rd., 55, jmwd
CARPOOL LANE ENFORCEMENT
Bay area, Santa Clara Co, I-280 from Guadalupe Pwky to Foothill Expwy, , marcb
Bay area, Menlo Park, 101-S btwn Marsh & Willow @ Rlrd. Overpass, , gary.cook
Bay area, San Jose/Milpitas, Hwy 237 near Hwy 880, , owen & marcb
Bay Area, San Jose - Montague Expressway between Zanker and River Oaks/Plumeria
sometimes / Zanker and Trimble at others, , jazzman
Submitters:
chucko@rahut.net
cjones@gse.ucla.edu
dhepner@hpcuhc.cup.hp.com
gary.cook@corp.sun.com
gmandel@megatest.com
georgewu@netcom.com
howardp@mayfield.hp.com
jazzman@claris.com
jet@nas.nasa.gov
jmwd@pge.com
lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com
owen@netcom.com
marcb@ecst.csuchico.edu
mcgillis@lefty.sdd.trw.com
muir@csi.com
poffen@San-Jose.ate.slb.com
raveling@unify.com
stevea@locus.com
woolsey@folderol.uucp
21.Are radar detectors illegal in CA, or just not popular for some reason?
from chucko@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Chuck Fry) on 30 Jul 92:
They're perfectly legal. I think it's a combination of factors that
keeps their popularity down.
First, there seems to be a mistaken impression that the CHP is not
permitted to use radar. This is false; although for years the
Legislature shot down funding for radar equipment, local jurisdictions
have always been free to provide gear to the CHP for local trouble
spots, and I believe the CHP now has funding to buy a limited number
of radar units of their own. And remember that local police and
sheriff's deputies have never been reluctant to use radar.
Second is the fact that radar is essentially useless in heavy freeway
traffic, because there's no way to pinpoint one violator. And at rush
hour, much of this traffic doesn't ever see the speed limit anyway.
Third, I just don't think Californians have as much of an adversarial
relationship with police as residents of other states do. The CHP by
and large plays fair, and as a result most drivers here seem to feel
they deserved a ticket if they got caught.
I carry a radar detector and make frequent use of it, especially in
known radar speed traps (e.g. most of Palo Alto especially Alma St.
and Charleston, highway 17 through the mountains). I highly recommend
a good radar detector to anyone who drives, whether your foot is made
of lead or feathers, since most urban speed limits in California are
set well below the 85th percentile speed and are thus de facto speed
traps.
from georgewu@netcom.com (George Wu) on 5 Nov 96:
CHP has used radar for years on Highway 17. They've recently added
it to Highway 85 south of Mountain View due to a spate of recent head
on collisions across the median strip.
Traffic court, traffic school, and DMV
22.Am I entitled to a jury trial for my traffic ticket? Can I have counsel
appointed at public expense? Can I be sent to prison if found guilty?
No, no, and no [Penal Code 19c]. This only applies to infractions, of
course. You get the book thrown at you, and all resulting rights and
privileges, for misdemeanors and felonies whether or not committed behind
the wheel.
23.Why can't I both argue my case in court and use traffic school to keep
the points off my license if I lose?
from J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM (Tim Irvin) on 7 Apr 93:
The only reason traffic school is even given as an option is to ease the
burden on the courts. If you could get traffic school by taking the case to
court, the county would have no incentive to even offer it as an option. It
sucks, but they would eliminate the traffic school option before they would
allow "ticket fighters" to go there, too.
from cjkuo@symantec.com (Jimmy Kuo) on 26 Mar 1993:
When convicted, you are at the mercy of the court, within legal guidelines.
You may ask to go to traffic school and it may still be granted. But it is
no longer a choice to be made by you rather it is now a choice the judge is
to make.
from gerhard@mikas.llnl.gov (Michael Gerhard) on 7 Apr 93:
A friend of mine got a speeding ticket in Fremont. He tried to fight it (he
WAS speeding) and after the officer testified, my friend took the stand and
realized he wasn't going to win. Instead of providing a defense, he asked
the judge if he could change his plea to guilty and take traffic school.
The judge thought it a bit odd, asked the officer if he had any objections,
and the allowed my friend to take traffic school.
It may not be a legislated action that if you fight then no traffic school.
In my friends case, it was the discretion of the judge.
from dpassage@soda.berkeley.edu (David G. Paschich) on 7 Apr 93:
Note that it's possible to end up having plead guilty with traffic school as
your sentence and get the points on your record and everything. This is
_different_ from when you sign up for traffic school before the arraignment,
trial, or anything and don't get the points on your public record.
24.I've heard about "comedy traffic schools". Has anyone tried one of these?
from sidney@apple.com (Sidney Markowitz) on 10 Jun 1993:
I had such a good time with Improv, The Comedy Club Presents Traffic School
last weekend, that I wanted to recommend it to the net. The instructor was
Steve Verret. He claims to have been the most requested traffic school
instructor in California five years in a row, and he was good enough that I
can easily believe that. Besides being a lot of fun and two dollars cheaper
than any other school I called ($30 vs $32), he handed out to every student
a free pass for two to Improv Comedy Club in San Francisco.
The state lets you satisfy the traffic school requirement at any licensed
traffic school in the state, though some counties only recognize schools on
lists that they publish. Improv, The Comedy Club Presents Traffic School
has classes in several counties. I don't know which locations Steve Verret
teaches in addition to Santa Cruz where I took the class, but it would be
worth asking for him. Their number is 800-775-5233.
Disclaimer: I have no affiliation with Improv, The Comedy Club Presents
Traffic School, other than as a satisfied graduate.
from gwu@esl.com (George J Wu) on 3 Feb 1993:
I too went to the Improv traffic school. I went based on the experiences
of two of my friends who said the school was "okay," not hilarious, but not
terrible.
I'd go a little further and say it was pretty good, as good as detention
can get. My instructor was Jim Coulter, and I strongly recommend him. He
is a little weird, but that's also the basis of his humour, so it makes for
an enjoyable day. Also, Jim can quote the CVC chapter and verse,
literally. He knows the text and section numbers by heart the way you and
I remember our phone numbers. The class is not only enjoyable, but Jim
teaches you alot about driving in California and the law.
Oh yeah, since their club up in the city closed, the traffic school now
gives out passes to Rooster T. Feathers (at least for classes down here in
the South Bay).
25.Do tickets dismissed by traffic school attendance appear on my DMV record?
from jordan@MooreNet.COM (Jordan Hayes) on 29 oct 1991:
Here's the scoop. Note: this changed recently, and I'll note the
differences between what's in effect now and what was before Jan 1, 1991.
There are two versions of your DMV record, what I'll call the private one
and the public one. The private one has all of your transactions, since the
establishment of your bits in their computer. This is a "write-only" type
of record. Nothing ever gets removed (except for incorrect information :-).
The public record is the one that you can get for a fee, and the one that
your insurance company can get. This has things dropped off after certain
time limits that vary with the charge (for instance, DWI events stay
longer). In addition, if you go to traffic school, moving violations do not
get transferred to your "public" record, and you don't get the "points"
involved added to your record -- get a certain number of points in a certain
amount of time (4 in a year, 6 in 2 years, 8 in 3 years [CVC 12810.5]) and
you can lose your license; you may have to check up on DMV to make sure that
they received your of certificate of traffic school completion. The right
time to do this is *before* your insurance comes up for renewal ...
Starting January 1, 1991, if you get another moving violation within the
first year after going to traffic school, the *original* violation gets
moved from your private record to your public record (so that insurance
companies can see it), but you don't get charged points for it. In
addition, you are ineligible for traffic school, so you'll now have two
convictions on your record.
from Ed.Evans@f227.n103.z1.fidonet.org (Ed Evans) on 1 nov 1991:
I've been told that if you go to traffic school, and if you get another
moving violation within 18 months, then your original citation will appear
on your DMV printout. This information has been denied by DMV personnel.
However, Gov. Deukmejian signed a bill to this effect before he left office.
Before he signed the bill, the policy was for the citation to reappear if
the violator violated within 12 months.
Going to traffic school is an admission of guilt. The violator's citation
is not "forgiven" and it does not "disappear." It is "masked." This means
that it is kept in an informal holding area (of a computer) forever. To
wit: a violation within 18 months of attending traffic school causes the
citation to become "unmasked" and it remains unmasked until it has been
presented to the world for its 36 month tour of DMV abstract access. After
36 months, all citations are masked and do not reappear, except for PD's on
request, courts, and the National Security Agency on request. This is
important to know if you want to become a cop or need a top secret
clearance. Otherwise, it'll probably never matter, once the citation is
masked.
There's a lot of folk wisdom passed out by traffic violator school
instructors. I know, I'm one of them.
from optilink!walsh@uunet.uu.NET (Mark Walsh) on 16 Dec 91:
Lesson: make sure that your traffic school paperwork gets all of the way
through the system. I went through the traffic school, and sent the
paperwork in via certified mail, etc. A few months later, I was at the DMV,
and found out that I had a warrant out for my arrest! My paperwork had
fallen through the cracks.
26.Do out-of-state tickets appear on your California DMV printout, and
can insurance companies can find this info out if they don't?
from gordon@TASVAX.NSWSES.NAVY.MIL (Gordon C. Zaft) on 15 Nov 1991:
Well, it happened to me! I had two tickets from Texas and one from New
Mexico show up on DMV record last year (they were from almost 3 years ago!
I don't know why the delay) and my insurance went up $200!
from rezal@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rezal Adzly Abdul Rahman) on 19 Nov 1991:
I friend of mine got a speeding ticket in Texas, two years ago, and when he
recently went to get a DMV printout for the insurance company, it was there!
from wab@worf.Rational.COM (Bill Baker) on 23 Nov 1991:
This is called "reciprocity". Basically what it means is that if you don't
pay an out of state ticket, the DMV of the state issuing your license agrees
to put it on your record and charge you for it when you go to renew your
license, the idea being that the other state will do the same for tickets
issued to their drivers in your home state. I've had a lot of experience
with this.
Most states do not have reciprocity with every other state. Most states
usually have reciprocity with neighbor states. However, home states can be
pretty lax about applying out of state penalties. I had my Washington
license "revoked" by California, Oregon, and North Dakota, but the Wash. DMV
renewed my license without complaint (as long as I paid those in state
tickets). I also once tried to skip out on a bunch of Wash. tickets by
applying for a new license in Oregon. I told the clerk I'd never had a
license, but when he ran my ID on the computer he came back with a list of
my many outstanding Washington tickets. Then he gave me a copy of the
written test and told me to return it to him when I was done. I mean, he
*knew* I was lying but apparently that didn't bar you from getting an Oregon
license. Sometimes state rivalries can have weird fallout.
You can probably find out from DMV what states California has reciprocity
agreements with. Nevada is almost certainly one of them. I'm not familiar
enough with CA DMV to know how seriously they enforce reciprocity. However,
whether or not your home state cares about out of state tickets, the state
issuing the ticket never forgets. If you get stopped in that state again,
they will almost certainly haul you to the local hoosegow and keep you there
until you pay the massive fine.
Insurance companies are a much bigger menace. They get data from
everywhere. It's very hard to hide tickets from them. However, most states
can't release a record of a ticket until the ticket is actually paid,
because you aren't officially guilty until you've paid the ticket or had a
"trial". My insurance company never knew about my out of state tickets as
long as I didn't pay them. Of course, had I been caught a second time in
one of those states and been "convicted" of driving on a "revoked" license
with unpaid tickets, my insurance rating would have become terminal
immediately.
The bottom line is, if you're caught speeding next door, you'd better pay it
because there's a good chance you'll get stopped again in that state, which
would be a disaster. If you're caught out in Podunk State (say North
Dakota) and you don't expect to be back more than once or twice in your
lifetime, you can take a chance on skipping out on the ticket. Remember,
though, that the rural states are wise to this. They usually direct you to
drive to the next state patrol office and pay the ticket immediately. They
may follow you to make sure you do.
from optilink!walsh@uunet.uu.NET (Mark Walsh) on 16 Dec 91:
I got screwed by the city of Berkeley early last year. The police officer
was very polite, and he said that the ticket was merely a fine like a
parking ticket, and it would not go on my DMV record. Guess what? My
insurance went up! When I talked to my agent, he said that their (Farmer's)
computers talk to many local computers, and everybody shares info with
everybody else, and that the DMV was probably the only bureaucracy that did
not know about the ticket.
27.Does the DMV find out about tickets received from Federal authorities?
from tsu@cup.hp.com (Stanley Tsu) on 19 Feb 1993:
OK, here's the scoop. I called the Denver Office of the US District Court
(800/366-5245) and the woman I spoke to said that the Feds do not give
traffic violation data to Cal DMV for speeding violations, provided that one
pays the collateral in a timely manner. She said that if I wanted to
contest the ticket she could set up a court appearance date over the phone.
Protests in the Golden Gate National Regional Area (GGNRA) are handled at
450 Golden Gate Ave, San Fran.
28.Did you know you'll soon lose the right to a trial for parking tickets?
from capps@crash.cts.com (Melville Capps) Tue Dec 28 14:49:14 1993
PARKING TICKETS and 1991 ASSEMBLY BILL 408
Assembly Bill 408 changed the nature of contesting parking or standing
ordinance violations from an infraction trial in municipal court to an
administrative review by the same agency that issued the ticket. In a
criminal infraction trial the accused is afforded all their constitu-
tional rights to Due Process, and the 5th amendment right not to be com-
pelled to testify against himself, whereas in an administrative review
the accused is not afforded these rights. Parking and standing viola-
tions are now subject to a civil penalty, and a special, limited civil
procedure, provided in the statute, for contesting a citation. This
bill went into effect July 1, 1993.
The bill was clearly designed by the legislature to increase revenues
through parking fines, instead of increasing revenues through taxa-
tion. From talking to various city officials in San Diego County I
have learned that this bill is part of a plan to eliminate as many
types of cases as possible from the courts. Also I learned that the
state has been presenting this to the cities as a way that they can
increase their revenues.
Since A.B. 408 went into effect, the City of San Diego has raised its
parking fines 50% and they even went to the trouble and expense of
plugging up the nickel and dime slots on their parking meters to in-
crease the number of tickets that they could write. The City of
Oceanside has also increased its parking fines, and I am sure that
many other cities have increased their parking fine amounts as well.
The legislature "determined" that handling parking tickets in court
was a great burden on the court system, but that claim is false. For
example in 1990 in the north county judicial district of San Diego
County there were over 200,000 cases of all types heard. Of these
about 115,000 were traffic tickets, but only 618 were contested park-
ing tickets.
The legislature "determined" that the existing procedure for contest-
ing a parking ticket was a burden on the motorist, and that a criminal
trial was not needed to insure a fair hearing. This claim is also
false, as the new procedure is more burdensome, complicated, and ex-
pensive for the motorist as it requires more steps. Even people who
are innocent will tend to pay the fine, because of the time off from
work and expense required to contest a ticket.
PROBLEMS WITH A.B. 408
1. The same agency that wrote the parking ordinance, that issued the
citation, and that will profit from the fine, is the only agency that
a person can contest a parking ticket before. There is only a slight
possibility that the accused can get a fair and impartial hearing un-
der this system. The accused does not get a trial before a judge.
2. In the "administrative review", the accused is presumed to be
guilty if the issuing agency has a copy of the parking ticket and
registration information from the DMV. This is the only information
that the issuing agency needs to present. Unlike a criminal infrac-
tion trial where the state has to prove the guilt of the accused, in
this "administrative review" the accused has to prove his innocence.
This "presumption of guilt" is un-American, and is the Napoleonic sys-
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